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Travis Michael Fleming's avatar

Thank you for taking the time to engage with the points I raised. I appreciate your thoughtful and Scripture-centered approach, and I believe conversations like this are vital to help sharpen us.

Let me clarify where I’m coming from when I say the Rapture is a “new” doctrine and considered “secret” in some circles.

#1. “New” Doctrine

It’s true that harpazō in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 clearly refers to a sudden catching away, and that Paul teaches a future transformation of believers (1 Cor. 15:51–52). However, the claim that the specific framework of a pre-tribulational rapture—as distinct from the second coming—was taught consistently from the apostolic age onward is harder to establish historically. While the concept of believers meeting the Lord in the air is biblical, the systematized teaching of a two-stage return of Christ (rapture first, then visible return) is what many—including scholars of church history (Mark Noll, George Marsden, Douglas Sweeney, et. al)—describe as “new,” in the sense that it was popularized in the 19th century by John Nelson Darby and then spread widely through the Scofield Reference Bible and dispensational theology.

Early church writings overwhelmingly speak of a single return of Christ, not a separate secret event, but a public return. That’s the sense in which the doctrine is considered historically “new”—not that the biblical texts are new, but that the interpretation separating the rapture from the second coming as two events emerged relatively recently in church history.

#2. “Secret” Event

You're right to point out that Paul communicated these things publicly to the churches. However, when critics label the rapture as “secret,” they are usually referring to how some pre-tribulational systems depict the event—namely, that it happens without warning, without signs, and without public visibility (e.g., believers vanish, leaving the world in confusion). This is often contrasted with the public, visible, triumphant return of Christ described in passages like Revelation 19.

So, while the doctrine itself is not hidden in Paul’s writing, the manner in which it’s been taught—especially in popular media or speculative eschatology—has given rise to the characterization of it as a “secret rapture.”

In Summary:

The disagreement is less about whether believers are caught up to be with Christ (we agree that Paul teaches this) and more about how and when this happens in relation to the second coming. My concern is not with the biblical event itself, but with the system of interpretation that has sometimes overshadowed the broader biblical narrative of resurrection, renewal, and Christ’s cosmic reign.

Thank you again for reading and commenting. I appreciate the opportunity to wrestle together with God’s Word and the hope we both share in Christ’s return.

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Trip Kimball's avatar

TMF, I hear what you’re saying/writing & agree with the majority of it, but… I came to faith in the Jesus Ppl Movement & yet, never had this “hurry” urgency or an escapist theology. I realize I may not fit into any specific theological box (I don’t want to either, as I’ve written about recently), but i think we need to be careful about generalizing the effect of these issues you’re writing on.

I see the influence & impact you’re describing, but I believe any critically thinking person doesn’t have to be carried along by that current. Maybe I’m just naïve about that, or maybe I still hold to a childlike faith.

My experience as a pastor in SoCal (an epicenter for the JPM, esp with Calvary Chapel based/influenced ministries) wasn’t to feel hurried or pressured by a soon-coming return of Jesus. I believed in that (still do), but in pastoring & cross-cultural missions in SE Asia, my focus was always (still is) engagement with those around me. I’m called to disciple & mentor people to Jesus.

Maybe I’m just reacting here, but what you describe as “missioholism” seems to me the mandate of the GC. If we look at church history, there are lots of side eddies & similar elements of failure as in Israel’s history. I see that as human nature. A nature that must be denied & reckoned dead.

But again, maybe I’m just overreacting here. BTW, I like art & history too. 😉

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